The Trayvon Martin case reminds me of Roderick Scott. In both cases, a man claiming to be protecting his neighborhood notifies police about an unarmed 17-year-old boy he thinks is causing trouble and minutes later shoots him dead, sparking debate about guns and self-defense.

Scott shot Christopher Cervini in 2009 in Greece on a windy and rainy night. Scott saw Cervini and his friends rifling through neighbors’ cars. He went outside with a gun as his girlfriend called police. Scott confronted Cervini and said the youth ran at him. Scott shot Cervini dead.

Police wasted no time charging Scott with murder. A grand jury knocked the charge down to manslaughter. Scott testified in his own defense. A jury acquitted him.

Scott was charged right away. No charges have been filed against George Zimmerman, the man who killed Trayvon. Scott is black and Cervini was white. Zimmerman is white and Martin was black. People think race was a factor in Martin’s killing. People thought race was a factor in charging Scott.

There are many more differences than similarities. But the similarities stood out. Nothing is ever simple.

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93 Responses to Recalling Roderick Scott

  1. March 21, 2012 at 7:38 pm Eduardo Ricardo responds:

    Sadness. Anger. Hostility.

  2. “There are many more differences than similarities” Most notably Scott caught Cervini and his friends in an actual criminal act, whereas Trayvon Martin was just walking home from the 7-11. The differences make the Martin case just that much more disturbing and uncomfortable for some people.

    • March 21, 2012 at 8:00 pm Rachel responds:

      That is true, however, at the time of Cervini killing, many people were appalled a kid pilfering change and cigarettes was killed as a result.

    • March 23, 2012 at 12:32 pm kristine cervini responds:

      The similarities are exactly the same, Roderick Scott left his property and shot and killed Christopher Cervini, for what he thought was a crime. looking for a cigarette in an unlocked car does not warrant a death sentence. The only person that committed a crime that night was Roderick Scott. Christopher Cervini, does not have a criminal record and was an innocent boy shot to death in his own neighborhood where he lived all of his life. He was attacked and held against his will unarmed and shot to death. Chris, was shot in his back and that bullet is the one that killed him. The Greece police noted that there were several cars on Baneberry Way that were unlocked and not rummaged through. This case was about Roderick Scott shooting and killing Chris. Roderick Scott got away with Murder! End of Story!

      • March 28, 2012 at 9:27 pm gina wentworth responds:

        i couldn’t agree with you more.As soon as I heard about Trayvon I immediately thought of chris and how unjust that case was.I think now is a perfect time to call attention to the fact that there was no justice for chris ever

    • March 27, 2012 at 5:23 am Kaththee responds:

      You can’t really say that one is worse than the other. Why do we believe that Cervini suddenly charged Scott, if we don’t believe Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon? Did Scott have witnesses to back him up? Being charged doesn’t leave marks but being punched does. Trayvon was much bigger than Zimmerman too. I am sorry but I believe Zimmerman over that tatted up, foul mouthed, pot smoking, school skipping vandal, who was suspended for the third time this year for getting caught carrying drugs, a screw driver along with 12 pieces of women’s jewelry that he wouldn’t explain. I think Cervini was probably running away and trying to escape before the police came. I hate a thief though. So forgive me, I won’t protest Scott’s acquittal by rioting, looting and raping or in any way attempting to make innocent black people pay for this injustice. That is the real point of the similarities in the stories.

      • There was never any proof that Martin had stolen jewelry, weapons or drugs. It started as a rumor and spread instantly.

  3. March 21, 2012 at 8:12 pm Eduardo Ricardo responds:

    To do what Zimmerman did is indefensible.

  4. March 21, 2012 at 9:12 pm Michael responds:

    Tthe greatest similarity in these cases is both men should have let the Police do what they are trained and paid to do!

    • March 27, 2012 at 9:23 am Troubled responds:

      I couldn’t agree more. There’s a reason that our law enforcement officers have to go through extensive training and why more and more law enforcement departments are requiring a college education before hiring officers. It’s because they’re trained to know when to fire a weapon not to mention – when an officer fires a weapon, (s)he’s operating under the color of law not just a private citizen playing cops and robbers.

    • March 30, 2012 at 11:54 am gina wentworth responds:

      that sums it up perfectrly let police do the shooting unless someone is actually in your home breaking in and an imminent threat i dont think people should be shooting

  5. In many neighborhoods of Rochester, a 45-60 minute police response is the norm. I am not defending the guy in Florida, the the police are trained to clean up the mess after it’s too late.

  6. Zimmerman and Scott are both wrong. The similarities of nthis case are striking in that regard. However, its worth noting that the acquittal of Scott alone proves race is not as much of an issue as people are making it out to be. Scott was charged because NY does not have “stand your ground” laws, not because he was black. Worth noting, allthough a young man was tragically taken, neither Sharpton (nor any other activist) showed up, Obama didn’t mention it and there were no protests for one of these wrongful deaths.

    • March 28, 2012 at 9:31 pm gina wentworth responds:

      yes sadly enough not enough publicity was given to poor chris cervini and his unjust death and now to see trayvons story on constantly and even the president involved while this family suffered becuase people were afraid to make a fuss becuase of the shooter being black if the shooter had been white and cervini was black we would see exactly what we are seeing now with trayvon and thats sad

      • The president is not involved. He was asked a question and he answered. Almost every black man has to feel connected to this story because we fear the same thing may happen to us. The idea that we look threatening and suspicious. The president is no different. He did not inject himself into the conversation. He was asked a question and he simply sent a a word to the parents of a dead teenager that he both sympathizes and empathizes with their pain. PERIOD. How people feel offended by that is beyond me.

    • Obama was asked a question by a reporter; he didn’t just come out and released a statement. To my knowledge, he was never asked about the Cervini case. Please don’t make up false comparisons.

  7. Another reason Scott was arrested was to take the spotlight off of the black eye the greece pd was going through with Rahn and his 2 coke head sarge’s.

  8. The main difference here is: Florida has a “no retreat” standing, if you feel threatened, you can kill the assailant. New York does not have these laws-deadly force is only allowed in certain cases.
    Thats why we live in FL- don’t come here and try and be shady and try and attack us, or we will shoot you.

  9. Wow, so many of you just don’t get it. It’s not about the differences in what they were doing, or if Scott got away with it. Scott was found innocent by a jury. Zimmerman hasn’t been charged a month later, and they never intended to charge him, or even investigate it properly.

    It is for a jury to decide. But a black man who killed a white boy was charged immediately, whereas a white many killed a black boy and a month later still hasn’t been charged.

  10. I get it just fine….you are ignoring a huge fact- the huge difference between NY and FL laws. In NY, you are forced to try to retreat. Scott didn’t do that. Zimmerman was under no such duty.

  11. Basically, if you kill someone in new york and they ask “did you try to run away?” and the answer is “no”, that’s a crime. Not in florida. That difference means everything. And, scott answered “no” he was charged criminally. Even so, we wasn’t convicted. And, by the way, scott only suspected cervini committed a crime. Since it wasn’t his car, he had no way to know cervini wasn’t permitted in to it….for all he knew cervini was an out of town guest getting his smokes from his cousins car. Both victims were merely “suspicious” at the time of death.

    • Unless of course Scott knew who that car belonged to. Also, it’s a bit more reasonable to suspect someone sneaking around or entering somebody’s care without a key. I am waiting for Zimmerman to tell us exactly why the kid looked suspicious. One of many reasons why this thing should go to a trial. That’s the problem with overzealous, so called watchdogs. They act on untrained instincts and biased fears. And of course, biased fears have a lot to do with racial identity.

  12. Its apples and oranges due to different state laws. In florida, unlike ny, there is no DUTY to retreat. That’s why scott was charged, not zimmerman. Basically, if you kill someone in new york and they ask “did you try to run away?” and the answer is “no”, that’s a crime. Not in florida. That difference means everything. And, scott answered “no” he was charged criminally. Even so, we wasn’t convicted. And, by the way, scott only suspected cervini committed a crime. Since it wasn’t his car, he had no way to know cervini wasn’t permitted in to it….for all he knew cervini was an out of town guest getting his smokes from his cousins car. Both victims were merely “suspicious” at the time of death.

  13. It may not be a crime, if you can prove it. Just because FL doesn’t have duty to retreat, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have to PROVE you were in the right. You’re talking about taking someones life, there needs to be a very high standard of proof that it was self defense. Otherwise it’s just a license to kill.

  14. Jay – agree 100%. I think Zimmerman should be jailed…the problem is “for what”? I don’t think the law, as written, requires that you to prove your innocence.

    However, the anger and frustration is misplaced and counterproductive, and, I fear that it’s going to spiral out of control if left unchecked. Jackson (who I like), Sharpton (who I dislike) and the media are stoking a very dangerous fire.

    What if the white militant group comes out and says “we got Zimmerman right here at our compound in ____ Alabama and are ensuring his safety”. Maybe they even do an interview so he finally has a chance to tell his side.

    What happens then? A million hoodie march to the compound? I hope not.

    For Pete’s sakes people are openly putting bounty’s on the guys head.

    Sharpton, Jackson and all the protestors have a beef with the law – not Zimmerman. As such, they need to work on changing the LAW rather than stirring hatred among the races.

    And, Jackson all of a sudden notices that there is a “war on blacks”. That pi$$es me off…it’s been going on for decades. Black on black crime. I always liked Jackson, he’s letting me down here.

    Where were they when the guy waited for an elevator and threw gasoline on an old lady and set her on fire in it? That’s not as tragic?

    • It’s hard to fathom that in one of these states you can shoot someone, and just say it was self defense, and not have to prove it. Who is writing these laws, who is enforcing them and who is upholding them in this way? I can understand the law giving you the right to claim self defense, to defend yourself and if proven, to not be prosecuted. But you took a life, you should have to prove the it was necessary to do so, and also, (in my opinion), that you didn’t bring on the situation.

      I know a lot of have been saying “where were they when” or “today 2 white kids were murdered in MS, are they marching here?”. But the difference is, have those cases been ignored by the police, or swept under the rug. There are on average 45 murders a day in the US. The Trayvon Martin case is news because nothing was being done to Zimmerman. People felt the police were looking the other way. It took 2 weeks for it to become news. I hope that when there is a miscarriage of justice (even if the miscarriage is a poorly designed law), that it will grab attention, regardless of race.

      And maybe it would be good if we reported every single murder nationwide. But to people who say why this case… I say do something about the other cases. This started local. Sharpton or Jackson or other high profile people didn’t pull this out of air. It started locally… the parents… the friends… maybe local youth or church leaders. If you think it’s important… Make a difference.

    • March 28, 2012 at 6:44 pm kill taker responds:

      Apologies for the “KT” moniker…

      very well written response…

      I have read a couple thousand responses on this news story….

      yours is up there with the best I have seen…

      I am a….
      Social Science major…doing research…
      peace!

    • April 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm Lauren responds:

      Zimmerman is Peruvian. This is not a white vs. black issue; but that is what the media is making it out to be.

  15. “Zimmerman is white and Martin was black”

    FALSE. Zimmerman has “Hispanic” listed as his ethnicity on his voter registration card.

  16. Jay – first and foremost…I respect your position and ability to articulate such.

    The laws are written (and upheld) by elected officials. The judicial system (and law enforcement) are tasked with enforcing those laws (as written). This process is important stuff. Sadly, people are too wrapped up in NFL and American Idol to devote any time to the task of “voting” inherent in democracy.

    Inevitably, something goes wrong and people say “this law is crazy”. However, it’s what they “voted” for. They just never cared. Now (in contemporary American fashion), they want to complain about the choices THEY helped make and want some sort of exception to be made. However, we can’t just go change the law and retro-actively apply it against Zimmerman.

    Clearly, Zimmerman is 100% to blame for initiating this confrontation. No argument there. I was so disgusted, I immediately took to FB to voice my outrage and signed the position for the inquiry. Clearly he was wrong (in the choices he made) and perhaps was even a racist. Neither of those things constitute a murder charge.

    However, my initial outrage was largely skewed by what was portrayed in the media. I couldn’t imagine that big dude had to shoot that kid in the little league uniform. “No way that kid attacked him”, I thought.

    Well, he’s actually not that little. He’s 6’3″. And, he actually doesn’t look like Obama’s son. Not that looks should matter, but, people were misleading us and actually causing “prejudice” against Zimmmerman for shooting a skiddle toting tot.

    People are upset because they thought the police “looked the other way”? Why? What caused them to have that opinion? Were they familiar with state law? What info did they have to make them believe that was the case? Because the shooter was (partly) white and the victim was black? Herego, we assume they swept it under the rug? You may notice that the details being released recently make it increasingly look like an investigation was actually done.

    Like you say, there are 45 murders/day here…what makes this one so newsworthy? There is ZERO evidence that supports a crime even occurred.

    To be clear, I’m not a racist. My wife and I are white – proud parents to a black child (through adoption). However, why does the black community always see the need to “play the race card” (as one of my black friends calls it)?

    Let’s assume Zimmerman should have been charged. Is it possible that the fact he wasn’t had ZERO to do with race and EVERYTHING to do with connections his Dad had as a magistrate Judge? I would consider it possible, yet I don’t hear anybody talking about that. Why not explore that link? Because it’s not as sexy – perhaps not even “politically correct”.

    And, why are we just finding out now that Zimmermans most staunch supporter (a strong believer that he wasn’t racist) is indeed a black man he’s known for over a decade? Isn’t the media playing a lot of games that distort public perception?

    As for calling me out to do something about the other cases….sadly….my hands are tied. White people are unable to unite in any meaningfull way without being labled as a “hate group”. You can’t find “white colleges” or the “white” NAACP, or a fiery white guy on the same level as Farakhon or Sharpton. Can’t happen – it would be “racist”.

    I personally knew 3 white males murdered in cold blood by black males. The killers were caught and convicted. That doesn’t bring them back. What kind of difference can I make? “Vengeance” isn’t part of my way of life.

    Bottom line? If Sharpton, Jackson, et al want to save the lives of young black men….they need to address it within the black community. They are the ones killing one another, not the Zimmermans of the world.

    • John it is more than a little disturbing that you have a black child to raise because of some of the things you’ve said. When your child is discriminated against and you try to pretend it didn’t happen or accept his feelings he won’t thank you. My mother is a social worker and I’ve met many ethnic children adopted by white families and they all agree about this. What you said about “white colleges” for example is not indicative of a person who has enough racial understanding to raise a black child.

      You are intentionally mentioning some huge points. 1. People were upset not just because they thought the police looked the other way but the first witnesses to come forward (neither of whom were black) said they heard Trayvon begging for his life and say Zimmerman on top of him. Yet the police took Zimmerman’s word for it that he was attacked.
      2. Pay attention to what you said- personally knew 3 white men killed by black men and those black men are now in jail. As they would have been had he claimed he stalked a white kid and had to kill him in self defense. Would they have taken his word for it so easily?
      3.Black leaders DO address the issues with gang violence within the community. Bottom line is if a black guy kills another he is going to prison. If a black guy kills a white guy he is going to prison. And for you to say the Zimmerman’s of the world aren’t killing black kids umm this story proves they are. We’re not just talking about killing black kids, we’re talking about the law saying it’s ok to do so.
      4. You assume the racism is just about the fact that he got off on a murder. You’re forgetting why he started following him at all. Because the kid was “suspicious”. Not doing anything but walking home talking to his girlfriend and he’s suspicious?
      5. Zimmerman’s supporter is black. I can’t believe you would say that when you have a black kid in your house. Is this the “I have black friends” defense?

      • April 2, 2012 at 10:19 am gina wentworth responds:

        there is a code of conduct and white black blue or purple when there are teenagers in an area they do not belong where there are a lot of break ins they are suspect but if trayvon would have said hey man what do you want with me and explained himself i do not believe this scuffle would have happened do i believe that trayvon attacked zimmerman why yes i sure do and thats what led to this incident fear on zimmermans part that he had indeed encountered a criminal and his life was in danger

        • Trayvon owed no explanation to a strange man following him in the dark. Perhaps Zimmerman should have identified himself to the Kid from the beginning and asked him if he lived there. Surely, he cannot know everyone who lives there. If he was too afraid to do that, then call the police and back off.

          Keep in mind that, black people probably have no greater fear in life than to encounter white men or cops in an isolated area. Immediately, we think WE ARE GOING TO DIE.

  17. Final comment from me (hopefully).

    Check out the sentence from the orginal poster “people think race was a factor in martins killing. People thought race was a factor in charging scott”.

    This statement is quite telling.

    So….people think martin was killed because he was black. People think scott was only charged because he was black.

    Are the people that want zimmerman charged the same people that think scott shouldn’t have been (had it not been for race)?

    Do those that think martin was killed because of his race think cervini was killed because of his race?

    Think about it….notice a pattern here? This racial $h!t sickens me.

    Wake up America, we have better things to worry about…we can’t afford to fabricate hate.

  18. Since getting a response, I’ve decided to raise another case which disproves the fact that black men can be murdered by whites without recourse.

    Google “Rocky Decapua convicted of murder”. Rocky, a (white) kid I knew was called by a bar owner friend of his that suspected he was going to be robbed. The bar was in a predominately black area (Lyell Ave), so it’s unlikely that the owner had these suspicions based on race.

    Rocky confronts 3 (black) guys….one fights for the gun. He ends up dead. Rocky gets 25 (to life I believe).

    No time was wasted in arresting, convicting and sending him away (even though witness accounts were that the gun went off accidentally). Rightfully so, his actions caused that mans death.

    So…to everyone saying that “black men can be killed by white guys without punishment” do your research. You will find that’s not the case. If your passionate about Trayvon, march on City Hall, not George Zimmerman.

    Enough said.

  19. March 29, 2012 at 1:13 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i agree both cases teens died and it was not necessary but trayvons death has gotten blown way out of porpotion i believe solely becuase hes black

  20. March 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i think this is very sad that in both cases the issue is these shooters do not and should not have the right to shoot an unarmed person and simply walk away free of any charges i think they are both hate crimes

  21. March 29, 2012 at 1:17 pm gina wentworth responds:

    just because chris cervini walked towards scott does not give scott the right to sentence him toward death perhaps chris was apoligizing or explaining his actions you can’t tell me this kid was a threat to this man who left his home went across the street and sought this teen out and how do we know scott didnt shoot him because he was white there is reverse discrimination

    • The difference is, like the verdict or no, Scott was charged, and it was left to a prosecutor, defender, & judge to try and a jury to decide. In Florida, they are trying to let the police be the judge & jury. It should be for a real judge and jury to decide if Zimmerman acted within the law and has a right to use it as his defense.

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  23. Jay – I hear you…I really do. However, our shared opinion is irrelevant until/unless the law is changed. I hope to see that happen (because of this tragedy) and have something actually positive (God forbid) come out of it (as opposed to a bunch of rioting/looting/violence). That only fuels hatred and divides the country. It’s a slippery slope.

    Google “black rapper calls for race riots”, listen to the song “Let’s Start a Riot” and tell me how you think that makes me feel. Ask yourself, “are people going to have more (or less) respect and fear for young black males? Will that make tragedies like Trayvon, or the white kids that were doused with gasoline (for being white, allegedly), more (or less) likely to happen? Is it likely to go away soon? Is that what we want?” I’ve got my opinion.

    What you are missing is that (to a limited extent) Police need to act as a quasi judge/jury to make an arrest (it’s supposed to protect our rights). To make an arrest, they need probable cause to believe a crime was committed. That’s the issue here…they don’t appear to have anything to substantiate a “crime”. How can they charge him?

    If, for example, it turns out he texted (or told someone), “I’m going to go shoot this guy” or mentioned “I love neighborhood watch, it’s just a matter of time before I cap someone”, he will be arrested – no questions asked.

    We see this issue of lack of “probable cause” all the time (especially with missing persons). Maybe a lady (or child) is missing and everyone knows the husband/father did it. “Knowing” isn’t probable cause…you need some evidence…something to make an arrest. Trayvon himself, for example, was found with lady’s jewelry and a screwdriver. They assumed it was stolen (he didn’t have any good explanation). He wasn’t charged because they “merely assumed”. You see, they had no probable cause to arrest him.

    This all makes good sense since a person can’t be charged twice for the same crime (double jeopardy). Based on your theory, we arrest Zimmerman now and put him in front of a jury. He would likely walk (based on what we know right now) and wouldn’t be able to be charged again (despite any new evidence that came up). Nobody wants that if he’s guilty – myself included.

    Instead, they keep digging until they think “we’ve got enough for a conviction, let’s go get him”. It’s a much better approach that results in a greater likelihood of conviction.

    In fact, it’s been reported that the officer wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was advised against it. People go on for years as a “person of interest” all the time (the Ramseys, Van Der Sloot, Scott Peterson, the Unibomber, etc.). Just because he hasn’t been arrested, doesn’t mean he won’t be (even if this circus never erupted).

    In short, the lack of evidence is why Casey Anthony walked. There was a dead child and lots of reason to believe she had something do with it. Why did she walk? Because they couldn’t prove the child was actually “murdered” (as opposed to an accidental death and a cover-up). Well, if you can’t prove Kaylee was murdered, how can you possibly convict someone of murdering her? You can’t.

    Look…I grew up in a predominantly black area…went to predominantly black schools. I lived with 5 Puerto Ricans from the Bronx, lived with a Muslim, and an Asian (not all at the same time). I’m good buddies with a black gay guy. I don’t discriminate. But…trust me when I tell you, nobody “sees color” more than blacks (based on my experience – which is extensive).

    Was Trayvon “profiled”? I consider it possible, which is upsetting. Have I ever been? I can tell you there are many areas of the city I can’t be because of my skin color (there are even neighborhoods where people get killed for wearing the wrong clothing – as is alleged with Trayvon). Personally, many years ago I lived (unknowingly) in one of the worst areas of the city. A very high ranking police official (I think he reported directly to the Chief) whom I knew found out. He went off on me, told me us white m-f’rs had no business there…we come there to buy drugs and complained about how they have to clean up the mess. He told me, “when we see you, we will pull you over. We will eff with you. You have no business here, we have enough problems of our own”. I was shocked and angry. What a racist! I considered filing a complaint. A few days later, common sense kicked in and I thought “maybe this guy is trying to tell me something”. I I moved out within a week. The next time I saw him, I thanked him for what he’d done. He probably shouldn’t have really made those racial remarks and openly admitted to profiling, but, he reached me in a way nobody else probably could.

    What frustrates the $h!t out of me here is that we have a perfect opportunity to right a wrong by fixing this law (as you suggest) to be sure this doesn’t happen again. Help blacks and whites better understand one another and come closer. It’s probably the way Trayvon would want it.

    Instead, the black leaders see it as a chance to come out of retirement (we haven’t heard much from them since Obama). However, I argue we should stay focused on the real issues – jobs, the economy, rising fuel and food prices, bringing the troops home, keeping our nation safe and closing the border. You know…the stuff that affects us equally (without regard to race) and makes our nation better. I can’t understand anyone that doesn’t think that’s a better approach than to stir hatred and bigotry (particularly since it’s based on misrepresenting the facts and making unsubstantiated claims).

    To be honest, I think Zimmerman would have just as likely gunned me down (he probably wouldn’t didn’t even notice skin color if I were wearing a hoodie). Quite frankly, I think there was something wrong with that guy. It doesn’t make it right, but it doesn’t make it racial either.

    • March 30, 2012 at 11:49 am gina wentworth responds:

      there is a lot of reverse discrimination blacks doing it to whites and you never ever hear of that i do not believe anyone should deiscriminate but the fact is it happens and i am sick of how whenever someome black is involved and white they are always innocent and the white person is guilty.prosecute everyone who commits race crimes not just whites because blacks are not innocent either

  24. March 30, 2012 at 11:46 am gina wentworth responds:

    they will try him they are building their case look how long casey anthony was left out.and because they have so much publicity they have to bulid a case thats fair for both zimmerman and trayvon i really do not believe zimmerman should have shot but i also dont believe because of all the publicity he will get a fair trial people have been screaming for his blood from the get go

  25. March 30, 2012 at 8:07 pm gina wentworth responds:

    thats the problem nobody really knows what happened between these two men and we have to let the prosecutors put a case together

  26. March 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm gina wentworth responds:

    thats the problem nobody really knows what happened between these two men and we have to let the prosecutors put a case together i believe they will but this thing has blown up into black against white and zimmerman is never going to get a fair trial

  27. John, I understand your frustration. I see where you’re coming from. However, I implore you to dig a little deeper and see where this comes from.

    First, let start with the case at hand. The increased heat did not happen overnight. The killing happened over a month ago and still no arrest, and no clear explanation given to the public or the parents of the victim. It is very hard to accept that your kid was walking home doing nothing illegal or out of the ordinary, followed by a guy who thought he looked suspicious, and somehow ended up the aggressor who had to be put to death and all of this based on the shooter’s word and maybe a mystery witness account. I don’t think it’s too much to demand a charge/arrest at the very least.

    With respect to the response from the media and the black community, I don’t see what is so inflaming about it. There are many white individuals who are very disturbed by this chain of events as well. Keep in mind, all the marches and the rallies are asking for one thing: An arrest. They are not asking for Zimmerman’s head here. We’re asking for a day in court where all the accounts of the event in question can be properly scrutinized. Now, please don’t chose to focus on statements from fringe elements (like the black panthers) to represent the black community. If I were listening to certain people on talk radio, certain guerilla organizations and other groups, I would think this country is still dominated by bigoted supremacist individuals and flee for my life.

    In terms of race, please understand that this cuts really deep. I am one of those black guys who’s been debates and arguments with my black friends about how we should focus less on activism and racial discrimination and more on empowerment. But this idea of being suspicious for no apparent reason goes straight to some of our deepest fears in this country. Every black person in this country is thinking that could easily be me. I have been in Trayvon’s situation countless times against and always figured these things don’t happen anymore. What we really want to know is how exactly did the young man look suspicious. Was he peaking through windows, touching people’s cars, loitering with friends with open bottles of boos. What could he have done not to look suspicious.

    There is not enough time and space to address all of this, but let me just ask you to humor me and think about this a bit more. Blacks in America “see color” for a reason. There is an extensive history behind that. To err is human, so surely there is some excess in it. However, it is not without cause.

    • Val,
      Thank you for taking the time to educate me a bit – I appreciate it (I’m being sincere). You bring up a lot of good points and I think this kind of dialogue is helpful. To be clear, Zimmerman is wrong here – I don’t see how anyone can even argue it. If you look at my comments, I’ve never contested that. That opinion stands even if it turns out Trayvon did attack him (I likely would if someone was following me).

      Of all the unknowns, we do know that if he thought the kid was “suspicious” (for whatever reason), he should have just dialed 911 and went about his business. There certainly was no reason to stay on the phone and track the kid. I am as disturbed about the chain of events as anyone.

      Having said that, I see significant problems in regards to arresting him and charging him with murder (based on “stand your ground”). For this reason, they are looking to get around that legal issue by charging him with a hate crime. There again, I see that as a challenge (he mentored black youths, had a parent that was a minority, has a black friend that is adamant that he’s not a racist, and no evidence has surfaced that substantiates that claim). If there are any indications to the contrary that were swept under the rug, I too would be outraged. Perhaps more details will emerge which indicate he did indeed target this kid because of his race and he will be charged and convicted of a hate crime. I want justice for Trayvon as much as anyone.

      Personally, I was more outraged with the handling of Katrina because so many were affected (the majority of whom were black). However, I attribute that pi$$ pore response as more of the fact that these were (largely) poor people (I don’t think they would have left wealthy people to suffer like that).

      Undoubtedly, Zimmerman should be punished. However, based on what we know today – I don’t see how an arrest for murder or a hate crime is possible. I don’t think a month is an inordinate amount of time to investigate a murder or hate crime. Clearly, it’s not a “cold case” that happened years ago and I don’t think the case was ever considered “closed” (which would be highly disturbing). For sure, the police owe the family an explanation and to let them in on what is being done to find justice for Trayvon. In fairness, we don’t know that wasn’t done. However, it’s common for the police to refuse speaking publicly about pending investigations.

      In any case, I hope these “stand your ground” are amended nationwide to prevent anything like this from ever happening again. I think we owe that to Trayvon and his family. I guess my issue with the black leaders (and the community) is that, in my opinion, everyone is so quick to turn this into a black/white thing that they are missing the real issue – amending the law. Furthermore, who is labeling Zimmerman as white anyway? I think he considered himself to be Hispanic (on his voter registration). If so, how do whites get dragged in to it?

      I’m sorry to say but there is nothing that will change what you describe as being the “deapest fears” that people can be singled out for no apparent reason. Unfortunately, it’s in our nature – EVERYONE’s nature. It happens to me all the time. Literally, there are areas I can’t go to strictly based on the color of my skin. Aren’t I Trayvon too? This issue isn’t unique to people of color.

      Want proof? Look at children and animals. A child (of any race) may not like people of other races (if they’ve never seen one). He/she may not like being held by males. They may not like large people or facial hair. It doesn’t make them bad kids – it’s intuitive. Similarly, dogs (some breeds in particular) tend to be “racist” or “sexist” if they weren’t raised in a diverse environment. Cats and dogs generally don’t like each other. Neither one like birds. Yet, you can see videos on Youtube with them all living together as best buddies. We need to understand that type of acceptance is not natural (it is learned) and that identifying unusual things as “suspicious” comes naturally. Just the other day, a girl was found in a pool because an officer saw a brick that looked “suspicious”. Why? It was out of place. I’m pretty sure that officer didn’t have anything against bricks.

      Once we all stop lying to ourselves (and others), we can work on what we do about it. Not until. I think what ultimately frustrates whites (myself included) the most is that black people seem to have this perception that it is unique to them.

      What’s more, I think the perceived risk (of being discriminated against) is much higher than it actually is. Worse yet, if we see violence and destruction (in the name of Trayvon), it will only increase the likelihood that “the fear of being singled out and victimized” will become reality. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy – you can’t scare people in to not being afraid of you. I don’t see how anybody wins when one tries.

      Please trust me when I tell you every time I drive through a “bad neighborhood”, people waive at me and point towards a side street. Why? I’m white. The only reason I would be there is to buy drugs – they are instructing me on how to do a deal. Cops will pull me over for the same reason. Somehow, that’s okay? It’s not. I am being singled out because of my race. But, it doesn’t make me dislike black people or the police – I just understand I look out of place.
      I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been called a “cracker” (worse yet, “white devil”) yet I’ve never called someone the n-word (in fact, I’ve only heard it used in anger against a black person once….and it ended with an “a”, not “er”).

      One time, I was flying and saw a young man that looked like a radical Muslim. Why would I think that? I don’t know….I just did. I can’t even tell you what radical Muslims “look like”. For some reason, I just didn’t want this kid on my plane (I can’t even tell you why). It’s not right, I know. Just being honest here. For some reason, the TSA agent searched him extensively (which made me feel much better)….scrutinized every single thing in his backpack….checked his shoes thoroughly. Clearly, this kid was singled out (there were other well dressed, older people in Islamic attire). The TSA agent was black. The kid was discriminated against by both me and her (as well as others, I’m sure).

      My wife and I get a kick out of driving around in very affluent areas and checking out the mansions. People stop and watch us (we look out of place). Once, we were followed and chased away by (what I suspect was) a private security company. Their suspicions of us weren’t racially motivated. I don’t think you really understand that. We simply looked out of place.

      You may not realize it, but every single white kid in a black school has been scared to death ever since this case has surfaced. Simply because of their skin color. I’m sure some have been (or will be) victims of violence because of this case. If black leaders are condemning these types of acts, I haven’t heard them. None of my black Facebook friends have condemned the “cracker” t-shirts or “start a riot” song.

      As for my disdain for the media…they purposely distort public perception. For example, one media outlet (I believe it was CNN) played a clip of the 911 call where a portion of the clip was edited out. In and of itself, that’s misleading.

      In that clip, Zimmerman said “He looks suspicious. I think he’s black”. Well, that isn’t what was said. He said, “he looks suspicious, I think he’s on drugs or something”. When asked what his race was, he responded “I think he’s black”. Editing the clip in that manner lends one to believe he thought he was suspicious strictly because he was black. That’s misleading and unfair. And, what’s with showing pictures from years ago? Zimmerman is 40 pounds lighter than in the picture (they show) and that picture (a mug shot) presents him as a criminal. Also, Trayvon is a few years older (than pictured) and much taller. Don’t you think people would have reacted differently if Trayvon were shown in a mug shot (as Zimmerman was) and Zimmerman in a business suit? From those pictures, the idea of Trayvon attacking him seems unbelievable (which is the point of contention).

      Lets consider a hypothetical example. Let’s say a white kid was assaulted at a rally – they show a picture of the kid (a 13 year old in a little league uniform). I would be furious. However, let’s say the kid was actually 18 and has a shaved head and white supremacist tattoos. My opinion would be entirely different. The media is purposely playing on people’s emotions (I could give more examples but choose not to).

      Let’s look at the Iraqi war. Lots of people support it. Few know that over half of the population (of Iraq) is women and children. Do you know what percentage of dead Iraqi’s are women and children? A lot. The media knows it, why don’t they share it with you?

      Look Val, you seem to me to be a pretty cool guy – I’m sure we’d get along well. From one simple posting, I formed an opinion of you. I “pre-judged” you without knowing very much at all (just like people have “pre-judged” me from what I’ve written). When I met my wife, I thought “she seems like a nice girl”. After our first date, I told my buddy “she’s the type of girl you marry”. My point? People are prejudice (pre-judgers) by nature and form opinions based on what they know – before they even have all the facts. It happens all the time.

      When opinions are formed based on race, it doesn’t make that person a “racist” (i.e. racism meaning the belief that one’s own race is superior to others). These are two totally different things. I’m sorry, but, there are places where black people look out of place. There are places where white people look out of place. There is nothing we can do to change it. To some extent, we have to accept it.

      I completely understand Americas troubling history and the sensitivity surrounding such. It was a dark and shameful period in this country. If there was something I could say or do to change that, please believe I would.

      However, please keep in mind that whites did participate (and die) in the fight against slavery. To some extent, black people (overseas) were culpable and participated in “selling” slaves. What’s more, you can’t assume from my skin color, that my ancestors weren’t enslaved or sent to concentration camps. By the way, one of Zimmerman’s parents was Jewish.

      If I’ve offended you in any way, I’m sorry. However, I do value this type of dialogue and hope that we can achieve a better understanding. I really hope that we don’t see anyone get hurt over this, whether they are black, white, yellow, red, or purple. I guess time will tell and it will be what it is.

      • I’m not prejudiced. I hate everybody.

        Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

        • April 2, 2012 at 6:58 pm gina wentworth responds:

          with that being said i am not prejudiced however there seems to be a common theme when black people have a case and they dont like the outcome and that is violence and poor judgement which leads to a lot of innocent people being hurt

      • Thank for replying. You have not offended me at all.

        John, expecting fair coverage from the media is a waste of time. I will not spend much time defending the media except to say that there are two sides to that coin.

        Now, the reaction from the black community became necessary because of the Police’s handling of the situation. It seems like they gave the victim’s parents the impression that they believed Zimmerman’s story and that at best there was nothing more they could do. They may not have enough to convict Zimmerman but there is probable cause to doubt that Martin was in fact the agressor and therefore arrest Zimmerman for manslaughter if not murder. The fact that Zimmerman suffered injuries (if true) does not mean Martin initiated contact and to my knowledge there is no eyewitness to the start of the altercation or the actual moment when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.

        There may or may not be an issue of race with the way the police handled this situation but you have to forgive the black community if we don’t accept their word for it. This is why I think there should have been a lot more transparency with the Martins and the public in general. Now when a group doesn’t feel like they can get justice from the system as constructed, they have to take action in their own hands to at least pressure those in charge. Public demonstrations, rallies (which sometimes escalate to riots) is often the only recourse that groups with limited social capital have. Many revolutions and key moments in world history have been triggered exactly this way (see the french revolution, the Arab spring, storming of the Bastille, the civil rights movement, etc). The rhetoric will get heated at times and some fringe groups and individuals will take it too far but it doesn’t make the entire community’s action irrational anymore than savage deplorable acts committed by some of our soldiers make us dishonorable as a whole.

        Now, let’s address the issue of race. Let us assume, as you suggested, that people are prejudice by nature. We are all guilty of it and have been subject it. Sure. I still suggest to you that the situations of blacks in this country is in fact unique for several reasons. (I understand why others may object but I can explain.
        1. Inability to discriminate. When prejudice is universal, those with the least power get the short end of the stick. In other words, I can hate you all I want but I can’t affect your livelihood if I don’t have any leverage over you. All I can do is insult you. You may look out of place in a drug-infested or crime-infested ghetto but how big an impact would it have on your life if you were never to step foot in the ghetto? Now, imagine if I were to avoid all the places where I would seem out of place. How much success do you think I could achieve? An African American man who actually want to provide for his family may have to go an affluent neighborhood and walk back at night in places where he looks out of place for both looking poor and being black. This is on a daily basis. If he wants to live healthy and take a run or a walk in a street that actually has a sidewalk, he will have to accept the risk of being out of place. God forbid, he achieves some success and leave the ghetto, he will have to actually live in a place where he may look suspicious if one of the neighbors don’t recognize him. The point is we may have to walk on egg shells every day of our lives so as to not raise suspicion. There are only so many places in this country where being black is not out of the ordinary. You have no idea of the amount self consciousness it takes for many blacks to navigate their daily lives.
        2. A legacy of systemic discrimination and shattered dreams. While many other groups in this country have suffered from prejudice, discrimination, and abuse, none have had to endure the systemic discrimination that blacks endured in the not so distant past where by Law you couldn’t learn how to read, then you weren’t allowed into certain schools, or have certain jobs etc… we’re talking about the law of the land not just the daily prejudice and discrimination. Others were encamped during a war conflict, were looked dow upon when they first arrived as immigrants, others despised for no reason. All terrible things, but none of them had to go through decades of one thing after the other. It creates a sense that “they” will never let you get ahead no matter what.

        3. Multiple negative stereotypes. Again, many groups are discriminated against and suffer from prejudice of one type or another. However, blacks are assigned multiple negative stereotypes that perhaps only latinos have to deal with. It’s one thing for people to be mean and discriminate against you because they think you look or talk funny. It’s another thing for them to assume that you are likely dangerous, violent, unprofessional, etc…Those things lead to much more serious and sometimes dangerous discriminatory acts against you.

        Unfairness and discrimination toward anyone is wrong. However, let us not rewrite history and pretend that every one has been equally harmed.

        • Val,
          Again, you bring up a lot of good points that we tend to forget and/or ignore. I appreciate that.

          My problem with the media is they have an incredible ability to influence people and don’t always report things in a responsible manner. Society (in general), being unable to think independently and too busy with entertainment to do their research, put far too much faith in what they report. And, they play all sort of cute tricks to make stuff interesting and get their ratings. Freedom of the press was created because the media had a duty to keep us informed. They haven’t kept their end of that bargain. I’m probably preaching to the choir on this one. That’s really a big part of my frustration here.

          In regards to justification to arrest Zimmerman, I think we will have to agree to disagree on that. He killed a kid for no good reason. I would love to see him punished. However, (not a lawyer) but my understanding of Florida law is that he is presumed to be justified in using deadly force unless there is probable cause to believe otherwise. I don’t agree with that law. I think it should be changed. I think we should put whoever the he!! Wrote that law in jail. What were they thinking? As Jay points out, there should be a very high standard when you pull a trigger. I don’t know so much that the Police believed Zimmerman’s story, but the lack of anything to the contrary (which I understand is required by law). To be candid, I strongly favor seeing a conviction (even if it doesn’t happen quickly) than to see a phony arrest to appease the community and have the guy walk. That’s just me.

          Also, realize that Zimmerman isn’t going about his daily life right now. If it were me, I would rather be in jail (in isolation) rather than bringing these problems upon my family. He’s not exactly “living la vida loca” right now.

          As for distrust of the police, I completely understand. Black men are being freed all the time for crimes we now know they didn’t commit (through DNA). I realize that. All sorts of games were played to get these convictions. I read these stories and they sicken me every time.

          As for not going in to the ghetto, I really don’t have much choice. I got my education in the ghetto, I work in the ghetto (Jay Street), my last job (Downtown) was generally okay, but got pretty bad when the kids were getting off the buses (you remember the ruckus at Liberty Pole). Where my parents live, it’s pretty bad (several shootings and stabbings, 2 shootings within .5 miles within a few months) and where my wife’s Grandma lives is really, really bad. Do I need to go see my parents? Not really, but it’s kind of nice to drop their Grandkid off for a while. Since Grandma can no longer live independently, the family is frequently there. Now keep in mind, my definition of ghetto is “high crime”, not “largely minority”.

          Val, I’m not BS’ing you (I have the luxury of hiding behind a computer) when I say that I really don’t think your average white person really looks negatively upon you based on skin color. I really don’t. I think those are remnants of when you got “the talk”, and I’m sure it was relevant (and good advice) at that time. Since you were raised to believe that (and you knew it to be true), I think your perception is a little higher than actuality (today). I’m not saying that perception is unfounded or without cause, but what I will tell you is that as far as the people I associate with, and the neighborhood I live in, the places I’ve worked at, you would be welcome in our circle. We wouldn’t be suspicious of you. Not one bit. And, I can say that with confidence without even meeting you.

          Now, I will tell you there are remnants of bias. Sometimes, white people will say “Dre is really a great guy”. I ask, “for what….for a black man”? (because they wouldn’t say that about me). You sound to me like a buy that handles his business. I can tell you that your white friends have a profound respect for you for that. Clearly, there is something there to put you on a pedestal.

          What I will tell you about white people is we do tend to discriminate based on social class (which you could argue results in black people disproportionally discriminated against). If you handle your business, we like you. If you don’t, we don’t. It’s pretty much just that simple. No points added or subtracted based on skin color. I do not know, nor would I associate with, anyone that looks down upon a black man that handles his business. Not one. And if I chose to, I don’t think my peers would be very accepting of me. We all have too many black people we care about (sometimes even in our family) to tolerate that non-sense.

          Now, those that have never had the privilege of experiencing diversity surely have unwarranted bias. However, I don’t think you and I really interact with those types of people very frequently. It’s disturbing to know they are out there, but there all sorts of disturbing people out there. Unfortunately, these are the people in power and how the systematic discrimination came about. I won’t pretend they really care about you, however, I don’t think they really care about me either. Why? Because I am not one of them – my income is too low.

          Finally, on to the way you present yourself. I feel people should have the right to dress however they want. They should be able to get all the tattoos they want, pierce whatever they want. However, that isn’t reality. Let’s look at Jehovah’s Witnesses as an example. These people walk around everywhere. They look sharp! If you know one, ask “aren’t you uncomfortable knocking on white people’s doors?” I don’t think you will find they are. Perhaps in very wealthy areas, but those people aren’t going to like me knocking on their door either. However, if a kid is walking around in my area knocking on doors (or going for a run) with his boxers showing, rocking some bling – the cops will be called. Regardless of the color of his skin. If he presents himself in that manner, he has made a choice to “look out of place” in my area. Dress that SAME kid up (like we dress, or in a running suit), he will be fine.

          To be clear, I’m not saying Trayvon was dressed inappropriately. I’m not saying black people shouldn’t be allowed to dress how they want. But, if you look like a gangster rapper that participates in the thug life (not that Trayvon was), some people may treat you like one. However, the choice is yours.

          I just wanted to point out that I think that the majority of times people feel discriminated against is because the way they present themselves, not the color of their skin. It would be easy enough for you to switch your attire up (dress up and dress down) and do a test. I would be interested in knowing what you learned.

          Again Val, I appreciate your time and insight. Reflecting in this way makes me a better person and educator within my community. I understand the need to take a stance, I just hope we don’t wind up setting race relations back a decade.

          • April 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm gina wentworth responds:

            if you watch crime tv sometimes it takes a long time to make a good solid case which hinders immediate arrest

          • I believe you John. I don’t disagree with anything you just said.

            I won’t belabor this conversation. I will just say that race relations will not improve by “color blindness” or avoiding race. The people say that they don’t “see color” are precisely the ones that scare me. They’re either flat out lying, chose not to see me or actually cannot see me. Either way, I may end up getting injured if I don’t steer clear.

            I would say to you as an educator to advise people not to run away from the issue. Be calm, patient, firm (if needed), transparent, and try not to get to defensive when confronted with it. It will go a long way.

            As a parting treat about media coverage. Here is a story that never got picked up by the national media.

            Imagine this scenario: You’re a 68 year old African American veteran in the marines and 20 year retired corrections officer. You have a heart condition. While sleeping, you accidentally press your medical alert button. Responding to the alert, the police break down your door, but not before you tell them that you’re ok and that it was an accident. The police then unhinge your door, taser you and then shoot you twice in the chest after calling you racial slurs. You’re now dead. The police claim you attacked them, but fortunately, your medical alert button triggered audio recording that captured the entire exchange.

            Sounds crazy?

            This is the true story of Kenneth Chamberlain and the White Plains police department. and this interview with Mr. Chamberlain’s son

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5MSP48NH4U
            http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/chamberlain.asp
            http://www.thedailywhiteplains.com/news/police-fatally-shoot-disturbed-man-carrying-knife

            The original local media report headline read “Police Fatally Shoot Disturbed Man Carrying Knife.” How is that for fair media reporting? google it. do your own research.

  28. April 1, 2012 at 10:18 pm gina wentworth responds:

    well all the facts havent come out yet and just because he has a sweet young face does not mean he did not attack that man and florida does have the stand your ground laws let law enforcement sort it out don’t be so quick to judge

  29. April 1, 2012 at 10:20 pm gina wentworth responds:

    well you weren’t there and neither was i for us to presume this man was not attacked is not fair the police will put there case togheter and gather all the facts lets stop the marches and rallys and the tweets by spike lee tweeting the address of zimmermans parents were disgraceful and dangerous behavior and also was the wrong zimmerman people are out of control calm down and wait

  30. April 2, 2012 at 9:59 am gina wentworth responds:

    well it’s nice you have decided that trayvon was an innocent child just walking home without hearing all the facts we do not know yet what the evidence supports and to be honest with you white purple blue or black teens in areas they do not belong usually raise red flags and are looked into what else transpired in this case i do not know but stop acting like this kid was gunned down solely because he was black

  31. April 2, 2012 at 10:21 am gina wentworth responds:

    a lot of people were disgusted and disappointed with verdicts in cases and yet we are not out there looting and inciting riots.And what about the seven teens who beat the hispanic teen its disgusting and intolerable and someone should put a stop to the way these people are handling this

    • Gina,
      the problem here is that without the public outcry, there wasn’t going to be an investigation, trial or verdict. And now, with this brought on by the local police and local government inaction, whatever the outcome their will be outcries of injustice. Had this been handled and investigated properly from the start, there would have been little, if any, attention on the national scene.

      When authorities do their job, there is rarely an outcry regardless of races involved.

      • April 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm gina wentworth responds:

        so behaving like animals and walgreens getting looted and seven black youth attacking a teen hispanic boy thats an outcry for justice sorry i dont buy it

        • April 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm gina wentworth responds:

          justice takes time you can’t rush an investigation sometimes people do not get charged immediaitely that doesnt mean you can jump to conclusions blame it on race and cause all this chaos which these black movements are

          • April 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm gina wentworth responds:

            i sincerely believe if it wasnt for the stand your ground law zimmerman would be in jail now

        • Gina

          Enough with the “behaving like animals” reference please. It is not helpful. Although it has not played a prominent role in American history, rallies and demonstrations that sometimes escalate into riots is exactly how many fights for justice and revolutions were triggered around the world. When people feel like the system is failing them they resort to actions that may seem and actually be irrational at times. I’ll tell you that those Tea party demonstrations at town hall meetings a few years ago seemed rather crazy, irrational and dangerous to me. You look at European history, the French revolution, the storming of the bastille, even the recent Arab spring, and other key world events and you’ll realize this is not a pattern unique to blacks in America. Of course, the ruling class and elite (not calling you either) always call those people “animals” Please just stop it.

          • April 3, 2012 at 2:15 pm gina wentworth responds:

            those teens who attacked a hispanic simply because he was hispanic due to this case and their failure for justice are animals what else can you call them preying on a human being because of his race

          • April 3, 2012 at 2:16 pm gina wentworth responds:

            are you familiar with the case i am talking about the seven black teens who randomly attacked a hispanic boy and beat him severely even knocking out three teeth thats animals no civilized person gets justice for trayvon by beating a teen of zimmermans same race how the heck is that justice

          • April 3, 2012 at 2:18 pm gina wentworth responds:

            tea party demonsrators didnt hurt people so far in trayvons name stores have been looted and hispanic teens beaten in retaliation

      • April 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm gina wentworth responds:

        outcries for injustice i can handle looting and other violent acts take credibility away from your cause

  32. April 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm gina wentworth responds:

    sometimes it takes longer to put some cases toghether that doesnt mean there will never be an arrest and that stand your ground law complictaes things

  33. Good point Jay, me too! I treat everyone equally…equally $hitty! Actually, the ones I treat the worst are white – my family.

  34. April 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm Jeremy responds:

    I think (hope) this is simply an issue of Florida being much more friendly to gun owners than New York is. I do not believe for a moment Roderick Scott should have ever been arrested; I could not imagine the composition of the jury that would convict him. I would like to think that the DA in Florida realizes this is a case that cannot (should not) be brought to trial. It’s sad that an unarmed kid was killed, but kids often do dumb things at the most inopportune times. Most of the time the consequences are not this final, but the odds suggest that this sort of thing has to happen once in a while. Sucks for the kid, he prolly thought he was punching a creepy/ obnoxious stalker (which he arguably was) but I’ll bet it never occurred to him that the guy was afraid for his life.

    • April 3, 2012 at 2:13 pm gina wentworth responds:

      oh god jeremy you have got to be kidding me you think rodderick scott was just to leave his home and go shoot an unarmed teen who appeared to be breaking in a car this is not the good old west we dont shoot everything that moves

  35. April 3, 2012 at 2:19 pm gina wentworth responds:

    some behavior is so vicious and violent what else is it simply not just people protesting quietly if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck its a duck animals

  36. April 3, 2012 at 2:21 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i heard once and once only on cnn about the teen who was hispanic and beaten by seven black teens why not plaster that all over the news now there is a truly innocent person victim of a hate crime whose getting justice for him or are we supposed to feel sorry for the seven youths did they feel like he was a threat

  37. April 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i want o know who is advocating for the innocent hispanic teen attacked by seven black youths wheres his justice wheres all his publicity

  38. April 3, 2012 at 2:23 pm gina wentworth responds:

    attacked simply for being hispanic

  39. April 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm gina wentworth responds:

    all i know is every time a black person is a victim its automatically someones fault and its because he was black i get tired of hearing that

  40. Gina,

    I think you should go speak with someone. Please take your comments elsewhere, there are better forms for you to share your opinions.

    Thanks in advance!

  41. April 3, 2012 at 8:43 pm gina wentworth responds:

    listen i do not disagree that nobody should be shooting anyone what i disagree with is all they hype this case has caused

  42. April 3, 2012 at 8:43 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i wish people could just respect law enforcement and that they wil do the right thing

  43. April 3, 2012 at 8:46 pm gina wentworth responds:

    how can you assume they are not going to arrest him sometimes the wheels of justice move slowly but they do move and all the ridiculous violence is so unnecessary the same people who want justice for trayvon are turning around and committing acts that endamger others we need to peacefully end this

  44. I disagree that we should just trust law enforcement to do the right thing. Val touched on it and the nicholas joseph case (greece, ny) alone proves you can’t. Look it up, along w/ merritt rahn.

    I think there is clearly cause to file an investigation on the department that handled the Trayvon case. Zimmerman had a broken nose and blood? Where are those pictures? I was assaulted and the took pics. That was 20 years ago, before everyone carried a camera at all times (cell phone).

    Furthermore, look at the history of police in sanford

  45. April 3, 2012 at 8:52 pm gina wentworth responds:

    true all very true but with all the scrutiny now in this case and special investigations they will make a case and it will be inclusive of all the facts and hopefully they will get rid of that law to stand your ground how ridiculous

  46. April 3, 2012 at 8:53 pm gina wentworth responds:

    and actually even rahn and joseph were brought to justice i really believe that stand your ground law got in the way

  47. April 3, 2012 at 8:55 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i just know this case is very emotionally charged and a lot of negativity has come because of it and i do not like it especially in comparison to cervinis death similar in a lot of ways and his killer did not get a sentence

  48. April 3, 2012 at 8:58 pm gina wentworth responds:

    and his family and friends as hurt and sad as they were did not reduce themselves to looting and hurting people for justice in his name thats the difference

  49. April 3, 2012 at 9:13 pm gina wentworth responds:

    i would like to see justice for trayvon but i also would like for as all to let the facts all come out and i bet you zimmerman does go to jail if he does not i will be agreeing with you and then would be the time for rallies and etc

  50. April 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm gina wentworth responds:

    if trayvons killer is not brought to justice that will be terrible and the message it sends also terrible teens of all races are usually targeted by law enforcement and community watch groups and it should really stop

  51. April 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm gina wentworth responds:

    also before you keep crucifying the police they did bring him in cuffs that night they were not the ones who let him go it was the district attorney

  52. April 3, 2012 at 9:21 pm gina wentworth responds:

    we are all different we have a variety of italian, asian ,korean ,fat people and etc we should learn to get along with each other respect each others differences and not use those titles as excuses why things do not go our way in this day and age its not the case

  53. Gina,

    Last comment from me (to you). Relax a bit.

    On one hand, you are calling for patience and restraint. On the other, you are acting like major cities have been destroyed.

    On one hand, you are stating how violence can destroy the credibility of the cause. On the other, you are saying things that are hurtful and judgemental (that similarly destroy the credibility of the cause). To be candid, I would go further and say they are hateful and ignorant.

    I’m sure there have been isolated incidents of violence. I’m sure it hasn’t been entirely one sided. But, do we (specifically, you), know if those suspects have been apprehended?

    If you are still grieving the loss of Chris, speak with someone. A Pastor would be a good (no cost) place to start. It may help in the healing process. I’m not being smart, I’m being sincere.

    My whole point of conention is that there are lots of things wrong with this Trayvon case and there is a lot we don’t know. Taken together, there are things that need to be done for justice to be served. I just think it’s a bit premature to start fueling hatred among the races. In fairness, none of us know it’s warranted.

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